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Mar. 8th, 2009 | 11:42 am
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So todays post is in regards to to following article from Yahoo.
http://education.yahoo.net/degrees/articles/featured_fifty_dollar_an_hour_earning_power.html

The jist of the article talks about what it takes to become a pharmacist; and in the end says "If six years of college education seems daunting, consider embarking on a pharmacy technician career with a two year associate's degree, and pursuing your Pharm.D. online while you work."

That last part concerns me a bit... "pursuing your Pharm.D. ONLINE while you work". I really hope they mean completing some of the undergraduate work to apply to pharmacy school. When you think about it, this shouldn't be possible. Most of the pre-reqs for pharmacy are science based classes with lab work. I don't see how you could do lab work online. Unless they start coming up with insanely crazy computer applications that simulate horrible stench of O-chem lab. Surviving the stench of O-chem lab and passing O-chem is a right of passage. How would you do this online?

There's also the possibility that the actual pharmacy curriculum is completed online. I don't think anyone would want their pharmacist to say they got their degree from an online university. It's just like asing your MD where he got is degree and him saying some shady online college - something just seems fishy about it.

I really hope there isn't an online pharmacy school. Otherwise those online schools just lowered our profession.

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pharmd.com

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 9th, 2009 12:46 am (UTC)
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http://spahp2.creighton.edu/admission/pharmacy/Pharmacy_Distance.htm
Yep, online. (and we're talking about the actual PharmD part!)

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Re: pharmd.com

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 9th, 2009 02:08 am (UTC)
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I've seen online pharmD, a pharmacist I know got her's that way but she had had her BS for probably 15 years and did it over the internet with the college and faculty to do a "non-traditional" pharmD track. But the idea that you'll get your pharmD. over the internet is a joke. Some how I don't forsee them ever passing the part III exams in NYS, need to know how to compound to do those. I doubt a computer simulation is going to help make those capsules or an IV.

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Re: pharmd.com

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 9th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
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yeah, i keep getting mail from the university of florida about their online pharmd programs. they're forever asking me to apply.. how they do their mailing list, i'll never understand, since i'm already a PY3.

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Damn it feels good to be a Gangsta...

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 9th, 2009 06:24 pm (UTC)
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Creighton is the only online pharmacy school as of right now. Honestly it doesn't sound like a bad idea for some students. I never ask questions in class, so watching a podcast of class would be fine with me. Podcast, lecture notes posted online, text and online class forum for discussion and you are good to go. The students go to the campus in the summer to complete lab work.

University of Florida and maybe a couple others have an online PharmD program for Rphs, you have to already be a Rph to apply to these online PharmD programs.\. The author of the article did poor research and got her dumbass all confused most likely.

This article probably got a few idiots excited, hearing that they could make 50/hr with some online education, poor bastards are going to be disappointed when they learn the truth.

So what are your plans after school Angry Intern? Have any of your rotations changed your mind about what you want to do after you graduate? Have you had any rotations with IHS, VA or military?

I am a second year student and enjoy reading your blog, more entertaining than medchem.

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 16th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
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There is an online pharmacy school!!

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 19th, 2009 06:12 pm (UTC)
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Online pharmacy schools should not exist. The excessive number of pharmacy schools is already cheapening the profession. Standards need to be keep high and online teaching can fail in many ways on this.

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ONLINE Pharmacy Schools

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 23rd, 2009 10:36 pm (UTC)
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Most of the online pharmacy schools are post-BS pharmacy, PharmD programs. Creighton is the only on-line school that I know of that does not require a BS in pharmacy , however you have to have an MS or Ph.D. in a science. If the school is ACPE accredited then the standards are the same as anohter motar and brick program.

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Re: ONLINE Pharmacy Schools

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 31st, 2009 06:43 am (UTC)
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Creighton's program is an entry-level program. While most entering students may have a BA or BS, some have only completed the normal pre-requistes (65 semester units) while there are some others with more advanced degrees. Among my classmates there are a CPA, a lawyer, and a DVM, along with others that have BA's, BS's, MS's and PhD's. Please check your information more thouroghly before posting next time. (P4, Creighton "Distance Pathway")

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 25th, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
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There is definitely an intern at my old store who is persuing an online Pharm-D. I guarantee she's going to make an awful pharmacist.

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Well Fuck

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 25th, 2009 06:03 am (UTC)
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Looks like I'm going to have to go to med school to fill my own prescriptions. This scares me.

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Creighton University

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 27th, 2009 06:25 pm (UTC)
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I am a student in Creighton University's "online" pharmacy program. We take the same classes as the students on campus, with the same professors and exams. All of our lectures are audio and video recorded and streamed online. We have small group patient case discussions with our professors via online web conferencing.
I don't think that my class is lowering the standards of our profession at all. We consistently perform as well as or better than our campus counterparts. I'm finishing up rotations right now and have yet to be told that my education was a joke, in fact I think I'm better prepared than most students that took class the traditional way.
Most of the students in my class are older than typical pharmacy students and have previous degrees. I definetly don't think this program would work for everyone, but for dedicated students it's a great option.

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Re: Creighton University

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 27th, 2009 06:28 pm (UTC)
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Oh, and we spend our summers on campus doing the lab portion of our classes like compoundin, learning how to take BP's and making IVs.

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Re: Creighton University

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 16th, 2009 02:53 am (UTC)
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Even though I don't agree with an online program I do understand that competent pharmacists could be developed with this type of learning. However, I think for the profession to grow we cannot give our health profession counterparts (MD's specifically) any reasons to not show pharmacists the respect they (we) deserve. It's frustrating enough that no one seems to realize that many PharmD's have 8 years of post-high school education (plus a possible residency). As a student who collaborates with medical students there is a definite change in their tone and treatment of me when they understand that I will be in school for just as many years as them. Maybe it's wrong that this is the case, but the truth is people equate intelligence to years of schooling. To move U.S. Health Care in a direction that provides patients with the best care pharmacists need to have a majority control in patient's med therapy. Our gov't has already come out with reports stating the fact that MD's should diagnose and then hand that over for PharmD's to prescribe and tx. If medical schools are not online (maybe some are I haven't checked) then neither should pharmacy schools. As the paternalistic health care system of yesterday evolves there is no reason for physicians to be the most important members of the team.

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Re: Creighton University

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 24th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
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Dear anonymous...
You said that it frustrated you that no one seems to realize that most PharmD's have 8 or more years of post high school education. WHat you do not realize is that Creighton U's PharmD Distance Program is still four years just like any other pharmacy school. And the majority of the students who apply/get accepted already have the bachelor's degrees...That makes 8 years at least. Maybe you should be the one checking more into this topic before you speak untruths about the respectability of the program.

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Fetus Fajitas

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 28th, 2009 05:33 am (UTC)
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Just heard a horror story of on-line education, a fellow lowly P1 told me of his escapade into the biology of the Fetal Pig on his kitchen counter, Thats right, they send you the lab supplies in the mail. This was for a pre-requisite bio course, he did the dissection on his kitchen counter where he later proceeded to make fajitas for dinner. He threw the pig abortion into the dumpster behind his apartment. Shudder- the things people will do to get into pharmskool.

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On-Line PharmD

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 31st, 2009 06:37 am (UTC)
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I'm also a Creighton student and am finishing my P4 year in a few weeks. Hopefully, you have taken the time to research the link for Creighton's School of Pharmacy and will have noticed that a great deal of time effort and technology have been poured into the "distance pathway." As has been mentioned in some of the other comments, Creighton's distance based students have done as well if not better on their school exams and the final board exams. The curriculum is not for the faint of heart. Our class schedule matches that of the campus students and lectures are audio/video recorded then loaded on a secure server for our access. Exams are proctored and are the same that campus students take with the same time constraints and on the same day. A testing window is given toallow for time-zone differences and individual testing center schedules. We spend about 2 weeks every summer on campus to complete parenterals, compounding, dispensing, patient assessment and other hands-on activities that our campus counterparts do during the course of a semester. This is an entry level program and does not require a prior degree (more than 50% of my class has at least a BA if not an MS or other doctorate). There are the standard types of prerequisites that you might see for any othe entry level PharmD program (about 65 semester units in specific classes and fields) and Creighton requires the PCAT. All said, this is a very organized and successful program. It has been fully acredited by the ACPE and is in it 7th ot 8th year. Please reconsider your opinion, there is nothing shady about Creighton University, it is however one of the more prominent and well respected healthcare programs in the country. If anything our program is taking Pharmacy school to the next level.

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Re: On-Line PharmD

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 18th, 2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
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One problem the web-program caused was a decrease in campus performance. This resulted from professors not putting the time into the campus program. This has improved.
A former creighton campus student

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 2nd, 2009 02:24 pm (UTC)
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wonderful! i feel i'm already surrounded by enough morons in school AND at my pharmacy, they're going to allow people to get doctorates online?! SWEET >_< more f'd up medications to be prescribed and administered.. o joy...

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 4th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
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Thank you--I saw that too and wanted to smack the idiot who wrote it.

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Online Pharmacy School

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 4th, 2009 07:23 pm (UTC)
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I attend a university where the "distance" based program is offered (I am campus based). I also have gotten the opportunity to work with a pharmacist who did the "distance" (online) degree. They still have to do their rotations, but I feel that they lack some of the common sense/people skills that comes with going to class every day. Honestly, I don't think pharmacists should get their degree online. It makes the profession look bad. If you really wanted to go to pharmacy school you get out of bed and dressed everyday to come to 8 am lecture!

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Online school

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 11th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC)
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Creighton actually has an online program

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You stupid fuck

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 11th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
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You didn't read the article right you stupid fucking intern. I can't believe you're about to get your goddamn PharmD diploma. You can pursue the education by doing some of the work online. Obviously, you can't do a fucking lab online. What a fucking fuck tard dick nosed faggoty ass little foreign bitch

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Re: You stupid fuck

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 16th, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)
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Not necessary.

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OK with online schools... to a point

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 16th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
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There are students in my class who are even more non-traditional (married and with kids while trying to pursue a Pharm.D.). The commute alone for some students is an hour if not longer. The online program could be a godsend.

For regular lectures, being taught online is not a big deal. I don't ask questions in class. If I have an issue, I e-mail the instructor. My classes are also taped so we can go back and re-watch the lecture if we didn't understand something. Very easy.

On the flip side... I have had online quizzes and tests before from various classes. They are horrible. Have a question about something you see on the exam? Oh well!

I do think that students should be required to at least visit a main campus physically to take labs.

So, watching lectures online? That's fine. Online quizzes, tests, and lab sessions though? Very bad idea.

The 40 year old pharmacy tech working 24-40 hours a week has just as much of a right to get their Pharm.D. as the 20-something year old living off mommy and daddy. Online degrees do have a time and a place.

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Creighton University

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 18th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
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Creighton has an online school of pharm.

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Online Pharmacy School

from: anonymous
date: Apr. 22nd, 2009 08:11 am (UTC)
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Where, USN's program comes reasonably close. One just needs to fly there once to take care of lab work and to take tests. Everything else is online.

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Creighton University School of Pharmacy (Distance)

from: anonymous
date: May. 5th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
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I am a distance student with Creighton University, set to graduate in a few weeks, and I think that while you are all entitled to your own opinions, you need to research a topic before you talk about it. I will keep it brief and just say that Creighton has adequately prepared me to become a pharmacist. The technology employed by one of the most wired universities in the nation, equipped with a distinguished faculty and staff, have made it possible for Creighton to flourish (both online and campus). Recorded audio, streaming video, online conferences and email/chat interactions successfully moved the classroom to anywhere that I wanted to take it. Coursework at the campus (labs, hands-on training and other areas of the profession) completed the experience. Throw in 8 required 5 week rotations and that about sums up pharmacy school... For me rotations were the place that I was able to see how my education stacked up. I will admit that I was a bit worried because I'm only a 3.0 student, whereas many of my friends/classmates (who are engineers, stock brokers, lawyers, biochemists, veterinarians, and hold various MS and PHDs) are absolutely brilliant and pulled good grades with families and careers. During my rotations with students from 4 different Pharm. schools (2 big ones) at major hospitals and pharmacy facilities, I felt that I was more knowledgeable and well prepared than every student at each and every single rotation. This notion was reflected in my evaluations from each preceptor. (many of them who are notoriously difficult) I will admit that I was a bit shocked to find this thread... Prior to this, I had never heard any dismissing words about our program (Other than the "where do you go to school?...University of Phoenix" joke from my friends) Sorry UofP people.. Everyone that I have encountered in the profession has been very receptive and open-minded. (also evidenced by my resume beating out 3 others for a position just 1 month ago) I not trying to gloat, but rather just want to give you concrete examples of why Creighton University (both online and campus) is not only legitimate, but also prestigious and distinguished.

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pharmacy school online!?!?

from: anonymous
date: Jun. 8th, 2009 07:16 pm (UTC)
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Yea, I don't see how a pharmD could even be obtained via an online university. It's one thing if it's a business school or other trade school major, but pharmacy definitely requires a hands on learning experience.

about your post about the possibility of an ochem online lab: I took physiology at a jc as one of my last pre-reqs (didn't take it in my undergrad), and since they lacked the funds to do many of the labs, most of our labs were simulated through a computer program. Some chemistry was involved, so in class, we used the fake test tubes and fake chemicals on the computer to learn the new concepts. With all the budget cuts, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the current labs go this way


john@ pharmapplicants.com (http://www.pharmapplicants.com)

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on line pharmacy

from: anonymous
date: Jun. 17th, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately the concept of online Pharmacy is not so ridiculous. Consider the fact that what most retail Pharmacists actually do, it is possible to be a first rate chain store retail pharmacist w 2 years of college!

Pharmacists have allowed the chain store industry to dominate the field, give millions to pharmacy schools to keep the pipeline of labor available, and in fairly short order the job market will be soon saturated by a bunch of automatons who will jump through hoops to keep their jobs. Pharmacists have been as arrogant in recent years about the growth prospects of pharmacy as realtors have been about "the fact" that the housing market will always continue to grow. Already there are signs that the market is saturating in the northeast. The sad fact is that most pharmacist can be replace easily by an intelligent, well educated technician, a fact that the health care system will eventually realize. who will man the windows of the drive in pharmacies and sell the cigarettes?

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Re: on line pharmacy

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 12th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
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I have worked with some VERY intelligent technicians. A well-educated technician does know a good deal about the profession. A good technician helps to keep the pharmacy flowing. However, technicians don't know all the drug-drug interactions that can occur nor the pharmacology of all the medications. There is more to being a pharmacist than just putting pills in a bottle and slapping a label on it. If the technician is intelligent enough to be a pharmacist, then they should go to pharmacy school. Let them take a 19 credit per semester course load, take all the "weed out" classes, miss out on social activities to study, and sit for a very hard exam at the end of your schooling that determines if you are capable to become licensed. It's no wonder the profession is losing respect, when a**holes like yourself post comments like yours. And, by the way, drive-through pharmacies were the worst invention! This is why I left traditional retail and went to a hospital outpatient clinic setting. Proud to be a pharmacist WITH training, experience, clinical rotations, and a degree!

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 3rd, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
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There is 1 accredited online pharmacy program called Creighton.
pharmacy.creighton.edu

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Creighton Web Grads to Arms!

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 23rd, 2009 04:25 am (UTC)
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Seriously, I'm sorry. Your performance on exams is not the arbiter of a successful web-PharmD education; neither is "beating" other students out for a position. These are hardly unusual as the vast majority of pharm students pass their boards.

I'm currently a PharmD student at a local university but worked as a tech in undergrad. We had (3) Creighton WebD interns at my pharmacy over the last couple of years and one traditional program student. In the words of the lead pharm they were significantly "unprepared" and "unmotivated" in direct contrast to the student who actually made the sacrifice to take the courses on campus. So, yeah, I'm biased and that rosy picture you're painting doesn't square with my experience.

Seriously, you all sound a bit snobby to me.

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pharmacists are wannabe docs

from: anonymous
date: Oct. 6th, 2009 09:29 am (UTC)
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why does it take 4 years to be a pill counter anyway? Come to medical school and we will show you what hard work is. Gimme a few weeks and I can teach a child to be a pharmacist...count to 30 and put in the shiny bottle.

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Re: pharmacists are wannabe docs

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 12th, 2009 10:11 am (UTC)
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Actually, we're not wanna be docs. If I wanted to be a doctor, I would have gone to med school. I was accepted to many premed programs as well, but choose pharmacy school in the end. If I wanted to go on, I could have. It's arrogant doctors like you that ruin the relationship between the 2 professions. If you would get off your high horse, you would see we do much more than count, stick, lick, and pour. Pharmacy programs have come a LONG way and the course load is more demanding than you may realize. We are expected to do clinical rotations, present to peers, catch drug-drug interactions, etc. and.....oh yeah, catch the MISTAKES that MANY doctors make. And NO.....I am not arrogant when I call a doctor to question the mistake. Often, they are appreciative. Of course, every so often, I speak to someone like you with a "God" complex. I just hang up the phone and laugh at them. Obviously, they can't accept that they are human and YES doctors DO make mistakes. By the way, a couple of the kids in the pre-pharmacy program with me did not get into the pharmacy program, however, they did get into medical school. How do you explain that one?

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Future of Pharmacy

from: yardleyed
date: Jul. 1st, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
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I don't know why more supposedly educated people can not see that the profess ion of pharmacy is in a downward spiral. The job market is saturating fast in most metropolitan areas, and in other areas jobs are beginning to tighten up, with the only jobs available for most are "lick and stick" chain store positions where quotas are set on how fast prescriptions can be filled, with a minimal amount of meaningful interaction. Why are people willing to spend up to $200,000 for 6 years of education and believe what these ivory tower professors say as gospel truth? Can't they see the bias? Just the fact that there will be more elderly in the future does not translate into jobs in this high tech information age. Incredible software is in the pipeline that will make pharmacist consultation superfluous, and an army of better educated technicians will be coming up to cut the budget for pharmacists in the chains. There was no rationale for the proliferation of pharmacy schools, and the coming year will start to show that. A sucker is born every minute!

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Online Degree vs. On-Campus

from: anonymous
date: Aug. 25th, 2010 01:04 am (UTC)
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I had a rotation with a student in the Creighton distance learning program. She was knowledgable and great to work with. She is married with 3 kids and didn't live near a pharmacy school. There may be people in the Creighton program who aren't yet where they need to be but there are students like that that attend classes on campus too! I know there is a person or 2 in my class I'm rather worried about and I've met those kinds of students from other schools. I don't think the distance learning program means the students are any less capable of being a good pharmacist. I'm sure we've all met a pharmacist that should've chosen another profession.

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from: james_smith123
date: Oct. 14th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
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Hi, this is a very interesting article. I just want to say that I don’t think you should degrade those people who are taking pharmacy online. There are accredited schools that are offering online pharmacy classes and do the lab works on their campus. I just don’t think that you should look at them to be degrading your course. I think it’s unfair. Online doctorate, masters, bachelors and associate programs are very handy for many people nowadays. And there are many effective and reliable online schools out there. I hope these change your perception about online pharmacy schools. Thank you.

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from: ext_292950
date: Oct. 21st, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
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Unlike most of you biased people, I like to form an opinion based on evidence....
IF it is a fact that students from online programs are able to perform just as well as 'traditional' students on their board exams, then there is absolutely no difference or harm in online programs.

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from: lisa_smith_01
date: Nov. 6th, 2010 11:08 am (UTC)
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One of my friend is currently pursuing for graduation and specializing in Pharmacy and I am pursuing Information Security Training. Thanks for the post.

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 21st, 2011 05:06 pm (UTC)
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It's called Creighton University and It is a campus with a distance class of 70 of us. It is the only accredited program to get a pharm D degree online. We learn at the smae pace as campus students and classes are all videotaped or live so it is just like sitting in class but I get to be on my couch at home and can still ask the teacher questions. We go to capus every summer and do labs inensively for 8 hours a day. The program demands students to be self motivated and dedicated, it is actually harder than being on campus. It also helps get pharmacists to rural areas like the area that I live in, the closest pharmacy school is 7 hours away

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